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Interesting details on AQ and Taliban efforts to bring down chinook in Afghanistan – amoung other stuff I also ramble about

There is some truly fascinating material floating around on the forums at the moment. Maybe it’s because I’m only just starting to get back looking at this stuff in more depth than my usual daily hour or two wander through the internets. But there’s a lot of movement afoot in quite a few different areas.

And rather curiously there seems to be a lot of reporting on al-Sham operatives in Afghanistan and/or Pakistan.

This could just be because clearly one of them is on active on the forums at the moment and pushing out some stuff.

Some of it is old, like the martrdom of the Jordanian born  (or Jordanian citizen if memory serves?) Palestinian Mahmud Abu Rida (see here for a useful summary on this guy by Florian Flade http://ojihad.wordpress.com/2010/12/15/the-story-of-mahmoud-abu-rida/)

Short version he was UK based for many years, jailed at Belmarsh, under a control order ( I think) and then ended up in Afghanistan, where he was reported killed late last year. He had longstanding links to AQ, with some reporting suggesting that he was the person to who al-Zawahiri tasked distributing his book–although to my knowledge this has never been confirmed.

What is interesting is that there is some new information that has appeared about how he died and what he was involved in as well as some photos. Curiously, this detail was released by the same gent who put out the pictures of Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi’s brother I posted on a few days ago.

You can find the new account of Mahmud Abu Rida and pictures on an open forum here http://www.paldf.net/forum/showthread.php?t=824555

This account confirms Mahmud Abu Rida was AQ (no surprises there) but it also  intimates that As Sahab may do something on him later. I wouldn’t be surprised if it does, since the propaganda value of  Mahmud Abu Rida is high, given his background and detention in the UK etc. He also reportedly asked for a martyrdom operation and the way he died would from AQ’s view give it a new spin on martydom ops.

It is interesting that the photos and details have taken a while to surface (or have I missed them earlier?)

Anyway, this posting  claims Mahmud Abu Rida was killed in an operation to bring down a US chinook (at least I think it was chinook), in which four Turkish militants also participated (if I am understanding this correctly)

Some other interesting details (and please correct me if I am wrong) but according to this the Taliban and al Qaeda had a join unit to hunt planes.  Maybe someone can match up the details with known crashes or strikes on aircraft?  I was up to my eyeballs in thesis last year time so I missed a bit of news. Anyway, according to this account villagers complained and so the militants organised an operation. Presumably this is where the Taliban fits in, since the account places Mahmud Abu Rida and four Turkish brothers as the ones who carried out the operation.  Although it does say that the Taliban militants tried to attract the Americans by talking on their cellphone, and when that did not work Mahmud Abu Rida got on the phone and started talking Arabic. Not sure about this in terms of credibility, but nonetheless it is interesting. It has some details about what weapons were used but I’m not well versed in that stuff, more the IED side of things so I’ll leave that to someone else to write about. Anyway according to this the attack caused the aircraft to crash land and then more aircraft came and those who perpetrated the attack were killed. The account highlights that the militants carried out this attack with relatively rudimentary weapons, and seems keen to reinforce this point. Again, I’m not great on weapons so will leave that to someone else to write about in terms of veracity.

So, anyway, my take away from this, among other things,  which is not new, but nonetheless interesting, is that there allegedly exists a special unit tasked with trying to bring down aircraft. And that they’re claiming a success.

More interesting to me, however, is that whoever is posting this or passing it to the person posting (but I think it is the former rather than the latter) clearly has significant links, at some level and degree into AQ media/op nexus. He has operational details, awareness of unit sections and photos as well as knowledge of  media plans so it seems.  Intriguing–especially given the very old old school links in al-Sham networks that are becoming a little more visible in OS material like this of late. He also carries authority in terms of his postings, so I’m following all of this with great interest.

Anyway, these are the photos of Mahmud Abu Rida he provided, allegedly from an AQ training camp and cropped for security reasons.

UPDATE: Thanks very much to a valued reader in N America for providing the following information on the photos.

The first picture was taken around 28 Feb 2010.  The second one was taken on 19 Feb 2010 but modified on 10 April 2011.

Also interesting is that the same forum poster who put up this information has in the past day or two also released  an announcement of the martyrdom in Afghanistan of a senior Jordanian operative, Abu Thar/Zar, which has no date. So I’m not sure if this is related either by unit or event or network or pedigree, or just selling the al-Sham aspect in the forums  or if it is even related at all. He is hitting up pretty heavily the lions of tawhid narrative, but that could just as easily be in relation to Afghanistan as to the al-Sham angle; I’ve seen it used for both.

Anyway, there are pictures to follow in another posting or announcement presumably.  This name is of interest to me, since it rings a bell from a long time ago, both in terms of internet forums and real world stuff. The post acknowledges his role in old school forums,  but I’ll have to do some more digging to see if it is the person I am thinking of who was involved in  training related activities and had real world links via this. If it who I think it is,  he also had some links to old school AQAP folks and AQ external operations folks too, and handed out some fairly detailed guidance on how to do surveillance etc circa 02-04, if memory serves, but I digress. Anyway, you can read more about this here http://www.aljahad.com/vb/showthread.php?p=19911

Lastly, for reasons I’m not inclined to expand upon I think if one digs deep enough one would find that the gent posting all this stuff  would show links to Abu Dujana al Khurasani (who was the AQ suicide bomber who struck the CIA base in late 2009) among other people…

So anyway, I just found all that quite interesting, particularly in terms of what it shows about AQ unit set ups, nationalities and involvement in various areas and the discrete movements in relation to this, as well as  the nexus between media and ops and of course the AQ Taliban cooperation outlined in his report of Mahmud Abu Rida’s death.

As an aside also in relation to stuff on the forums:

There’s a quite a few old school names popping up again.

There’s some new manhaj related material on the way.

There’s a new edition of the mujahid’s book bag released ( I tweeted the link earlier http://www.archive.org/details/Haqeeba3  you’ll also maybe need to download extra fonts http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CANPC0O5 ) So we’re now up to edition three. All 1.5 gigs of it.

And there’s something apparently coming from AQ soon.

Coffee time for me now. More to come later. Thanks for the folks sending in info in relation to IMU post, I will get around to posting that a little later, and will also try to plough through the security manual.

  1. 06/15/2011 at 5:50 am

    Good stuff – latest addition to my humble attempts to collect OS info re: Taliban (alleged) shoot-downs here:

    Good to see you back online, too.

  2. abualhakam
    06/17/2011 at 5:51 am

    The guy who posted Abu Rida’s photos on shumukh goes by the name Abu Mus’ab Al-Hourani (aka Abu Hajar Al-Urduni). He is Jordanian (dah) that personally knew Abu Muhammad Al-Maqdisi.

    In August 2010 he announced on Ansar forum that he reached Afghanistan.

    He is active on the Afghan front for sure, since as you mentioned, he reported about the martyrdom of another Jordanian, Abu Thur (aka Mahmoud Hamdan Nizal) several days ago.

  3. abualhakam
    06/17/2011 at 5:59 am

    Apparently, Abu Mus’ab Al-Hourani goes also by the name Abu ‘Abd Al-Rahman Al-Aseer.

    • Leah Farrall, Australia
      06/17/2011 at 6:04 am

      Thank you for your feedback!

  4. Abu Dawud al-Amriki
    07/06/2011 at 11:35 pm

    In March 2011, ICT covered jihadist website reporting of Abu Rida’s death:

    On December 22nd, 2010, the “Al-Sharq Al-Awsat” newspaper reported that,
    according to the Al-Marsad Al-I’lami Al-Islami website (Islamic Informative
    Observatory), Mahmud Abu Rida, whose alias is Abu Rasmi Al-Filastini, was
    recently killed during an American air strike in Afghanistan.
    Abu Rida moved to Britain in 1995. Following the 9/11 attacks, he was
    of incarceration, he left for Syria and thereafter to Egypt and Gaza. He then
    returned to Syria and from there moved to Iran, where he was again
    arrested. After his release, he left for Afghanistan, where he was killed.
    The article quoted from Jihadi websites, which claim Abu Rida had strong ties
    to Al-Qaeda’s no. 2 man, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, as well as to the leader of Al-
    Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi.

    While residing in Britain, Abu Rida was interviewed twice by the “Al-Sharq Al-
    Awsat” newspaper. In these interviews, he stated that he had helped the
    Afghans by opening a school in Afghanistan. According to a letter sent from
    Al-Zawahiri to Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi in 2005, Zawahiri’s book “Knights
    under the Prophet’s Banner” was sent to Abu Rida for distribution.
    In 2001, Abu Rida was arrested in Britain. The British immigration officials
    claimed he was supporting international terror groups, including Al-Qaeda.
    The main accusations against him were that he had collected money and
    distributed it among the Al-Qaeda networks and that he had obtained forged
    documents in order to aid volunteers seeking to train in Afghanistan.
    According to the article, Abu Rida suffered from mental problems including


    This is the reference to “Abu Ramsi” in al-Zawahiri’s letter:

    “I don’t know if you all have contact with Abu Rasmi? Even if it is via the Internet, because I gave him a copy of my book (A Knight under the banner of the Prophet@) so he could attempt to publish it, and I lost the original. Al-Sharq al-Awsat newspaper published it truncated and jumbled. I think that the American intelligence services provided the aforementioned newspaper with it from my computer which they acquired, because the publication of the book coincided with a publication of messages from my computer in the same newspaper. So if you can contact him and get the original of the book, if that is possible for you all, then you can publish it on your blessed website and then send a copy to us, if that is possible.”


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